Today we have the new Colt Cobra Vs. The 150-grain .38 Specials clocked an average velocity of 746 fps. I'd save up and buy something that has the correct barrel length/gas system combo. Full Forum Listing. Cybersecurity pioneer John McAfee is a big supporter of guns and the Second Amendment,... by Personal Defense World / Time has proven to be relative where these two classic revolver designs are concerned. Barrel: 4 inches To learn more about how we use cookies, please review our privacy policy here. The Sport is an entry level beginner rifle. Copyright © 1996-2020 AR15.COM LLC. Overall Length: 8.9 inches The 686 first debuted in the 1980’s alongside the Model 581, 586 and 681.Since then, th… But it's still on my list. Shot quite a bit and it has been just fine as far as I can tell. Serious competition came when two guys named Smith and Wesson got their take on the revolver, which fired metallic cartridges, up and running with serious calibers. Otherwise, they both feature 6″ barrels and full-sized frames. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. The 6920 is for a lot of people the gold standard in working guns. Joined: Oct 18, 2020 Messages: 22. In this instance, the L frame of the 686 denotes a medium-large frame, and is typical of modern, fullsize .357 Magnum offerings from Smith & Wesson. The Colt will hold a lot more value. The S&W has a wide ramp front sight while the Colt uses a narrow half-moon. The trigger action can be learned in either case, so what can I say? Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Weight: 22 ozs. A year down the road will you be asking yourself, why didn't I buy the SW over this Colt? If the answer is no, then either is a fine choice. I got my hands on a circa-1924 Colt Police Positive chambered in .38 Colt New Police (.38 S&W) and the latest version of the S&W Model 10 in .38 Special. — Courtesy Rock Island Auction Company — Empty casings are ejected, also one at a time, via manually pushing the ejector rod, housed under the barrel, through each chamber. The Police Positive obviously had a performance handicap against the .38 Special, but it still sent 146-grain bullets downrange at an average velocity of 650 fps. Sights: Fixed I have read the Terms of Use, Privacy Policy, and Cookie Policy, and I hereby agree to those terms. Curious to know from those whom have owned handled both. The old Colt Police Positive’s recoil was modest, and it shot a little low at 15 yards. Tale of the Tape: Smith & Wesson Model 10 vs. Colt Police Positive Two of the most popular revolvers with both police and civilians alike were the S&W Model 10 and the Colt Police Positive. Comparing it to a 6920 is no more fair than comparing it to an M&P-15 T. "Your life should not be measured in the number of breaths you take, but by the number of moments that take your breath away." Just as with the .38 Colt New Police, which was Colt’s answer to the .38 S&W, Colt’s version had a flatnose instead of the roundnose used by Smith & Wesson, giving it some advantage when it … Both revolvers have integral rear sights, with the Colt’s being considerably smaller than the S&W’s. How does the Colt J frame (trooper mark III) handle compared to a Smith and Wesson N frame (Model 29 specifically)? No failures whatsoever. DSG has been selling them for under $1K and Walmart sells them for $1100. The best five-shot group measured 1.13 inches. -PlaneJane. Smith & Wesson (S&W) Brands, Inc. is an American manufacturer of firearms, ammunition and restraints.The corporate headquarters is in Springfield, Massachusetts.. Smith & Wesson was founded by Horace Smith and Daniel B. Wesson as the "Smith & Wesson Revolver Company" in 1856 after their previous company, also called the "Smith & Wesson Company" and later renamed as "Volcanic … A forum community dedicated to Smith & Wesson firearm owners and enthusiasts. Of course, Colt rejoined the competition last year with its new DA/SA Cobra. Overall Length: 8.5 inches See how they fared against one another in our Smith vs. Colt Tale of the Tape. Colt called it the .32 Colt New Police in revolvers it made chambered for the cartridge. The invention of the perfect revolver pits Samuel Colt and Daniel Wesson in a race for patents that will forever revolutionize the firearm industry. By the time production ended, it was by far the most ubiquitous Colt revolver carried by civilians and lawmen alike. As is, they’re visually distinct. In fact, from 1905 to the early 1920s, there were already more than 150,000 Police Positive revolvers in use. “Life's hard. Looking for advice to purchase, and choice is now narrowed down to COLT LE6920 or Smith & Wesson M&P15T. Reason I ask is here in … Full Forum Listing . Yeah, the rifling twist is different and even the cylinders turn in direction directions, but in the end it matters little. For purposes of clarity, I consent to Athlon's collection, storage, processing, and transfer of my Personal Data and Non-Personal Data (as defined in the Privacy Policy) for the purpose of signing up for the email newsletter. Official AR15.com GD call sign: Kickstand, Wow... decades removed from the revolver era and we're. And it will have a warranty. Die Smith & Wesson Corporation (S&W) ist Nordamerikas größter Hersteller von Handfeuerwaffen mit Sitz in Springfield (Massachusetts). If it doesn't exist. As a .38-caliber Pocket Revolver, it has no equal.” And it didn’t. While Smith & Wesson named this new cartridge the .32 S&W Long, Colt’s version was the .32 Colt New Police. They are pretty bad. Grips: Wood I'm by no means experienced in the AR world, but I did buy an MP15 sport a while back. What's the quickest way to touch off an argument among diehard double-action revolver fans? Most handguns were horse pistols or pocket guns similar in design to rifles — simply shorter. i was hoping to get something in the next week or so nut if i order a colt it would take a lot longer. The frame, cylinder release, sideplate, and crane arrangement are unmistakably S&W. The sport model doesn't have a dust cover or a forward assist, something that the regular M&P line will have. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Colt vs. Smith & Wesson revolvers? Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by HngMnHnryDvdsn, Nov 21, 2020. Das Unternehmen gehört zum Konzern American Outdoor Brands Corporation, einer Holding mit Sitz in Springfield (Massachusetts), USA. 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Save and get the Colt. "One need only reflect that all one must do to be considered dangerous by the government is to go about repeating the very phrases used by our founding fathers in their struggle for independence." I grieve over them on long winter evenings. I've never had a Colt so I can't really compare the two for you. hey i found a smith and wesson m&p 15 sport for sale and was wondering if i should buy that or order a colt 6920. can someone share some pros and cons of each firearm? Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. The .32 Long is simply a lengthened version of the earlier .32 S&W. Action: DA/SA The thumb release lever used today replaced the design on the second model in 1903,. With Adam Jonas Segaller, Philip Guerette, John Byrne, Don Meehan. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 12 of 12 Posts. just curious if a smith and wesson was worth getting or should i wait and order a colt. Capacity: 6 [Last Edit: 1/23/2014 10:40:30 AM EST by ma96782], TNVC Stocking Stuffer Sale and New Product: NVG Pouch, Padded Expandable (NVG-PPE), [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Colt vs Smith and Wesson, http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/06/benjamin-t-shotzberger/%EF%BB%BF-gun-review-smith-and-wesson-mp15-sport/. Like and Subscribe for more gun reviews! Obviously, this is a ballistics mismatch, but I thought it’d be interesting to compare Smith vs. Colt revolvers for their handling and accuracy. History. At this point in time, the companies were producing revolvers that in many … The 1896 models were chambered for the .32 S&W, and the cylinder was released by pulling the end of the ejector rod forward. As noted by the R.L. Weight: 34.4 ozs. Sights: Fixed Using the 158-grain rounds, the Model 10’s best five-shot group — just above the point of aim in the 10- and X-rings — measured 1.38 inches. Jesus." Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Since 1852 we’ve been an industry leading manufacturer of pistols, revolvers, rifles, and shooting accessories. By the early 2000s, Colt had ended all double-action revolver production, leaving the market to S&W. First, it succeeded the .38 Colt Model 1877 Lightning DA/SA revolver, which had been discontinued at the end of 1904. - Unknown. Barrel: 4 inches As you can see, despite being older by 94 years, the old Colt Police Positive was able to match the accuracy of the S&W Model 10 — a newer version of an old rival. Smith and Wesson followed suit with the Hand Ejector, a similar size .32 caliber revolver. Apples and oranges. The 686 is mostly a refinement of the S&W’s iconic revolver pedigree, established with their K/L frame revolvers. Matthew Quigley. Colt retained that honor for 130 years until 1985, when the Colt Model 1911A1 was replaced by the Beretta 92F. Doubt it. This is another Vs video. In 1899, the Military & Police became the greatest competitor to Colt for the military, law enforcement and civilian handgun markets. Bob Campbell. While both revolvers are 1.25 inches wide and sport 4-inch barrels, the Colt is slightly smaller and lighter overall than the S&W. It’s a toss up and the differences are minimal but Rugers are cast steel while S&W are forged steeel. The M&P-15 "Sport" is an entry-level carbine that lacks many desireable features for a G2G/SHTF carbine. On the other hand the S&W are currently one of the best values for the money. S&W Revolvers 1945 to Present The … I can fix it. "Said I never had much use for one.... Never said I didn't know how to use it." Thank you to 23pistol23 for improving my avatar, "It has long been my conviction that a masked man with a gun is a target. From those two choices, I would pick LMT. if so can you suggest parts to me? Both guns also have square butts, with the Colt sporting checkered hard rubber grips and the S&W using wood. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. HngMnHnryDvdsn Member. Other options, if you don't mind shopping around: - Slightly used Colt. Tier 1 Operator/ Space Shuttle Door Gunner, "I swear to God: I'd superglue my vagina together and join a convent before I settle for a man who'd put up this kind of shit from me. It also provided the frame from which the Colt Police Positive Special, Banker’s Special and Detective Special models were based. Disregard all the talk about "entry level" and "beginner" rifles. The old Python is blued. AR15.COM is the world’s largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. The .38 S&W, also commonly known as .38 S&W Short, or 9×20mmR is a revolver cartridge developed by Smith & Wesson in 1877. To keep some balance between the guns and the 94 years separating them, I ran the shooting test with lead round-nose (LRN) cartridges: Remington 146-grain .38 S&W rounds for the Colt, and Winchester 150-grain and Freedom Munitions 158-grain rounds for the S&W. - Charles Beard, historian. Plus since you already have a Model 29, I'd say get the Smith & Wesson just because it'll operate the same way as the Model 29. With an overall length of 8.5 inches and weighing just 22 ounces empty, it was a light pistol to carry. Capacity: 6 The bottom line is that Smith's offering are directed more toward the consumer market so you don't really find the options you would typically refer to as mil-spec in their barrels. There’s nothing compact about these brutes.The grips are the other major variation. Action: DA/SA We continue to bring innovative firearms to market that meet the needs of every shooter and deliver on exceptional quality with a brand you’ve learned to trust. I love Colts, but I wouldn't recommend to someone who's not savvy with revolvers. It is simply what you like best in your fightin’…ahh, revolver. It was introduced in 1896 for Smith & Wesson's first-model Hand Ejector revolver. Grab your copy at OutdoorGroupStore.com. See how they fared against one another in our Smith vs. Colt Tale of the Tape. You can beat those around much more than you can a Colt. I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. Versions of the cartridge were the standard revolver cartridges of the British military from 1922 to 1963. I bought one a few months ago at a local gun shop for ~$685 out the door. It was initially chambered in .38 Long Colt and .38 Short Colt. The Colt .32 Long is smaller in diameter than the .32 Smith and Wesson Long and will not interchange. S&W Revolvers 1945 to Present The Short Story Forum New Members … The Model 10 remained a direct competitor to the Colt Police Positive Special until Colt discontinued its double-action model. Do yourself a favor and buy the Colt. This makes the Colt a bit more carry friendly — if you’re inclined to pack a vintage Colt revolver. So, Colt extended the Police Positive’s frame and cylinder to accommodate the longer, more powerful rounds. The .32 S&W Long was introduced in 1896 with the company's first hand ejector revolver. We use cookies to improve your browsing experience. Finish: Blued who you suggest building my own? Colt’s revolvers such as the New Pocket featured a swing out cylinder, cylinder latch that pulled to the rear, and a smooth double action trigger. It was a fierce competition that … Spend more time in the tech forums and less time in GD. Both Colt and Smith & Wesson experienced failures early on. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Finish: Blued There were many imitators, but Colt was pretty much the main firm through the end of the Civil War. Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! As is obvious to those of us with a functional sense of sight, the two guns we’re comparing are almost identical. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The 686 is stainless. Three years before the more conventional .38-caliber K-Frame, S&W had introduced the I-Frame. When Samuel Colt invented the revolver as we know it he turned the handgun world on its nose. This continued an unbroken chain of supplying revolvers to the U.S. military since 1855, when the .36-caliber Colt Model 1851 Navy became the first standard-issue sidearm. Second, to quote a Colt catalog from 1905, “It will meet the great demand for an arm similar to the New Police, caliber .32, but larger in bore, with the greatest penetration, velocity and range. Colt 6920...CDNN had 6920 on sale last month around $1,000 (NJ compliant will most likely be an airsoft model). Colt Match Target vs. S&W M41. 5 Titans Who Influenced Revolvers, Ammo & Handgun Shooting. If you are looking for a basic AR and have, even low skills, you can get a kit and receiver from PSA for under $500. Plan on using it for recreational range shooting and getting into some hunting possibly with my son if he is interested (bought my son a Ruger 10-22 this weekend for Xmas present). Grips: Checkered Rubber If they’d had the same finish and grips attached, I doubt many of us could pick them apart at any distance. In that time, Colt produced more than 1.5 million revolvers. I can make it. Cast saves costs but anytime you cast you may or may not have air pockets that could crack so they tend to be not as strong as forged steel. If its metal. This article is from the September/October 2018 issue of Combat Handguns Magazine, on sale now. The pistol’s internal safety and safety lever blocked the hammer, preventing an accidental discharge if the gun was dropped. The Colt Cobra, top, and the Smith and Wesson Model 13, bottom are each fine all around defensive revolvers. Mostly 1:9. Explore Our Forums. While the 1873 Colt SAA and the Smith & Wesson Schofield, produced from 1875-’77, had advantages and drawbacks, the Colt saw the most use with 37,063 issued between 1873 and 1893. The Police Positive model was also available in the lighter .32 Colt and the new, more powerful .38 Special beginning in 1908, which S&W had developed in 1902 as a more powerful cartridge for use by law enforcement. The 158-grain .38 Specials were in the 790-fps range. Introducing the Daniel Defense DELTA 5 PRO. Range Report : Colt 1911 vs. HK45. Colt and Smith & Wesson tried to compete with each other in the late 1800s by offering newer, more innovative revolvers to capture the lion’s share of the market, but then, in 1899, S&W unveiled its first .38-caliber K-Frame — the Military & Police. By continuing to browse our website you agree to our use of cookies. Yeah, the rifling twist is different and even the cylinders turn in direction directions, but in the end it matters little. On smaller details, the Colt is more elegant in design, with its rounded cylinder release and trigger shoe, and exposed ejector. The Colts are highly sought after and have a great history, you won't go wrong with them. Caliber: .38 S&W It remained in production until 1943, with sales surpassing 406,000. Brand new basic models are now back down to ~$600. Special thanks to Mike Harris of Allegheny Trade Co. in Duncansville, Pa., for the circa-1924 Colt Police Positive used here, and to Smith & Wesson for the new Model 10. The last thing I want to do is hurt you. Smith's ARs are nice, but I don't think they have 1:7 twist barrels. The Model 10, with its heavy barrel and greater overall weight, was also light on recoil, delivering slightly wider groups. The Smith and Wesson 642 .38 special. i am new to the ar world and want a nice reliable firearm that will last me a long time with no problems. Aug 28, 2018, Stay in the know with the Personal Defense World newsletter, ATF Releases Notice on the Pistol Stabilizing Brace, Opens Door for SBRs, Cheaper Than Dirt Under Fire For Alleged Price Gouging, WATCH: Miami Concealed Carrier Charged After Shooting Attacker, Biden Calls Guns a ‘National Health Crisis’ — Here’s Why He’s Wrong, Gun News, Gun Reviews, and Self Defense Tips, You use of this website constitutes and manifests your acceptance of our. MSRP: $739. Like Colt’s famous Single Action Army and first double-action revolvers, the Models 1877 and 1878, the first swing-out-cylinder revolver was designed and patented by William Mason, Colt’s brilliant armory superintendent. Following the .32 Colt New Police introduced in 1896, the Police Positive was an improved design with the cylinder rotating clockwise (unlike counterclockwise like previous models), a larger, rounded-contour cylinder release (beginning in 1909) and a positive lock that prevented the firing pin from coming in contact with the cartridge unless the trigger was pulled. Between those two, the Colt. Directed by Paul Abascal. Although 2-, 5- and 6-inch versions were offered, the 4-inch-barreled Police Positive became the handgun of choice for law enforcement for almost 40 years. It's even harder when you're stupid.”, Are you planning on shipping off to war somewhere soon? RELATED: Streamlight TLR-4 Light/Laser Combo. If its broke. All Rights Reserved. Mason’s patents dated November 15, 1881, and December 6, 1881 for the swing-out cylinder. Colt produced various .32- and .38-caliber revolvers with swing-out cylinders from 1892 through 1905, but for law enforcement and personal protection, the most significant and enduring change came in 1905 with a model that would become synonymous with lawmen: the Colt Police Positive. In 1892, Colt introduced the improved New Model Navy and Army revolvers, and the U.S. Navy and Army ordered the latest .38 Colt pistols. I see no reason to change that view.” Jeff Cooper [img]anim_sniper2.gif[/img]. By the early 1870s, the two companies were building the majority of the fighting revolvers in active service. L ... A forum community dedicated to Smith & Wesson firearm owners and enthusiasts. S&W has the better cylinder release and inherently better lockwork. 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